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Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2240	Posted - 2014.05.18 01:44:00 - [1] - Quote Kaahles wrote: And for JF's? TBH those nerfs don't go far enough as far as I am concerned because if you have half a functioning brain and know how the game works the likelyhood of losing your JF is pretty damn slim to almost nonexistent. Breaks the whole risk vs reward thing. Everyone loves to throw around Risk vs reward like they know wtf they are talking about. There is more to risk than just how easy or hard it is to die. Everytime I undock a JF I am putting a 6.2 bil hull at risk. That alone is a pretty big risk. When I run a 0.0 jump freighter contract I could easily have upwards of 5bil of cargo in the hold. Thats 11.5 Billion isk I'm putting at risk jumping into hostile 0.0 space. And for what? Maybe a 150-200mil reward? I'd be hard pressed to believe that anyone actually doing this is sitting there thinking "oh yea this is totally OP, I should be easier to kill" Yes if I do everything right my overall risk of death is fairly low. Yet there are still thousands that get killed.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2241	Posted - 2014.05.18 03:53:00 - [2] - Quote Saint Hecate wrote: Stuff about Jump freighters I think you missed this key quote from #14 CCP Fozzie wrote: But yes, the fact that this is a small reduction in Jump Freighter power is completely intended.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2241	Posted - 2014.05.18 04:23:00 - [3] - Quote Andrea Keuvo wrote: Odds that Fozzie posts in or even reads this thread again after today? Near zero I would bet. You really don't know Fozzie then do you? Given his history so far I'd bet a plex he keeps up on each and every one of the threads he has posted.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2242	Posted - 2014.05.18 15:24:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Hey everyone. I haven't caught up on the entire thread yet (still working through page 19) but I wanted to quickly let you guys know that the mass values that were previously listed in the OP for freighters were a mistake on the forum post. We never changed the freighter mass values, and have no intention of preventing them from travelling through highsec wormholes. The numbers are now corrected in the OP. Ok, back to reading the rest of the thread. I'll let you guys know when I'm caught up. Derath Ellecon wrote: Andrea Keuvo wrote: Odds that Fozzie posts in or even reads this thread again after today? Near zero I would bet. You really don't know Fozzie then do you? Given his history so far I'd bet a plex he keeps up on each and every one of the threads he has posted. Knew I was right
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2247	Posted - 2014.05.20 18:34:00 - [5] - Quote In case it hasn't been said yet. The new freighters are up on SiSi for your rig testing pleasure. I'll be honest, Im not as upset in some ways but annoyed with others. I think the cargo nerf is manageable on freighters, but I think the EHP nerf was too great. with 3 T1 trimarks I can only get an obelisk slightly higher on EHP than before. The only reason I find this to be an issue is that it seems in many other areas of rebalance, ships have been balanced to account for some of the power creep in recent years, while one ship most susceptible (a freighter with no offensive capabilities) is seeing too much of a reduction.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2248	Posted - 2014.05.20 19:23:00 - [6] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: with 3 T1 trimarks I can only get an obelisk slightly higher on EHP than before. The only reason I find this to be an issue is that it seems in many other areas of rebalance, ships have been balanced to account for some of the power creep in recent years, while one ship most susceptible (a freighter with no offensive capabilities) is seeing too much of a reduction. try using hull rigs, since they provide more EHP. They aren't on the market yet on SiSi it seems. Nor could I find the new jump fuel rigs.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2248	Posted - 2014.05.20 19:56:00 - [7] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Tippia wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: with 3 T1 trimarks I can only get an obelisk slightly higher on EHP than before. The only reason I find this to be an issue is that it seems in many other areas of rebalance, ships have been balanced to account for some of the power creep in recent years, while one ship most susceptible (a freighter with no offensive capabilities) is seeing too much of a reduction. try using hull rigs, since they provide more EHP. They aren't on the market yet on SiSi it seems. Nor could I find the new jump fuel rigs. Are the BPOs in? It would be a round-about way, but stillGÇª nope. only thing we know about them are what's in that pastebin link. I guess my main beef is that unless they were planning on actually nerfing freighters, it would seem that I should be able to get back to where I was with some combination of rigs. For example, I should be able to use some combination of rigs to basically get back to where my Obelisk was pre-rigs. Then If I chose to, I could get an even better tank, at the expense of cargo (which helps counteract the power creep of gankers in recent years) OR larger cargo at the expense of EHP. Right now at least I cannot find a combination of rigs that gets me back to a balanced state of where my freighter is now. Now if the goal was an actual nerf (who knows the freighter balance pass may have chopped out cargo even without the rig idea) then so be it. It just seems like this was pitched as a buff to freighters when it really doesn't seem to be. Granted it is hard to know without a working EFT or all available rigs at least available on SiSi.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2248	Posted - 2014.05.20 20:02:00 - [8] - Quote Vincintius Agrippa wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Vincintius Agrippa wrote: As for fuel rigs: That like saying "This rig reduces the capacitor need need of entering warp, but decreases warp speed". it's not like saying that at all No, but it is a good approximation of most people attitudes toward it. Perhaps this is a better one: Starting June, car manufacturers are doubling the mpg of their new vehicles, but they are cutting the size of all current gas tanks by half. ------- You see, it defeats the f******g purpose. Except that it doesn't. You still spend less on fuel. And to use the car analogy, in general car manufacturers seem to size a tank to go a certain distance. Regardless of MPG most vehicles seem to have around a 400-600mile range per tank. JF will be about the same. They will be able to jump the same number of LY per tank. But it will cost less since it is burning less fuel. I don't see a problem with that.

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